The forward that started it all...
Published Wednesday, November 16, 2005 by Addie | E-mail this post
In my intro post, I shared that the birth of this blog was precipitated by a forward sent to me by a friend. The text of said forward follows. It’s a bit long, but believe me… it’s worth reading through (if you haven’t already).
Paul Harvey says:
I don't believe in Santa Claus, but I'm not going to sue somebody for singing a Ho-Ho-Ho song in December. I don't agree with Darwin, but I didn't go out and hire a lawyer when my high school teacher taught his theory of evolution.
Life, liberty or your pursuit of happiness will not be endangered because someone says a 30-second prayer before a football game.
So what's the big deal?
It's not like somebody is up there reading the entire book of Acts. They're just talking to a God they believe in and asking him to grant safety to the players on the field and the fans going home from the game.
"But it's a Christian prayer," some will argue.
Yes, and this is the United States of America, a country founded on Christian principles According to our very own phone book, Christian churches outnumber all others better than 200-to-1. So what would you expect — somebody chanting Hare Krishna?
If I went to a football game in Jerusalem, I would expect to hear a Jewish prayer.
If I went to a soccer game in Baghdad, I would expect to hear a Muslim prayer.
If I went to a ping pong match in China, I would expect to hear someone pray to Buddha.
And I wouldn't be offended. It wouldn't bother me one bit.
When in Rome ...
"But what about the atheists?" is another argument.
What about them? Nobody is asking them to be baptized. We're not going to pass the collection plate. Just humor us for 30 seconds. If that's asking too much, bring a Walkman or a pair of ear plugs. Go to the bathroom. Visit the concession stand. Call your lawyer!
Unfortunately, one or two will make that call. One or two will tell thousands what they can and cannot do.
I don't think a short prayer at a football game is going to shake the world's foundations.
Christians are just sick and tired of turning the other cheek while our courts strip us of all our rights. Our parents and grandparents taught us to pray before eating; to pray before we go to sleep.
Our Bible tells us to pray without ceasing. Now a handful of people and their lawyers are telling us to cease praying.
God, help us. And if that last sentence offends you, well ... just sue me.
The silent majority has been silent too long. It's time we let that one or two who scream loud enough to be heard ... that the vast majority don't care what they want. It is time the majority rules! It's time we tell them, you don't have to pray; you don't have to say the pledge of allegiance; you don't have to believe in God or attend services that honor Him. That is your right, and we will honor your right. But by golly, you are no longer going to take our rights away. We are fighting back ... and we WILL WIN!
God bless us one and all ... especially those who denounce Him. God bless America, despite all her faults. She is still the greatest nation of all.
God bless our service men who are fighting to protect our right to pray and worship God.
May 2005 be the year the silent majority is heard and we put God back as the foundation of our families and institutions.
Keep looking up.
Email One: ...don't care who wrote it. It's a forward anyway.
Email Two: Do you seriously look up validation on everything you get forwarded to you? lol
Her responses really only served to piss me off even more. The second response is reference to the fact that I've sent her Snopes links on several occasions (not related to religion). I think her reply serves to illustrate the problems with theists. They don't need to find out truth. They just blindly believe, and if something claims to be something, well then it must be! Once I thought about it a bit, I wasn't nearly as angry... just sad for her that it doesn't matter to her to know the truth about the things she reads.
So, let's address the obvious problems. First of all, I know from personal experience that most Christians - especially those promoting prayer at public school football games - are NOT going to be nearly so open minded about hearing the prayers of other religions, even if they are in other countries. This is a minor point of contention, but worth mentioning nonetheless. A bigger problem is the never ending ranting of evangelicals who insist that America is a theocracy. It's not, and it's damn time someone made them realize this.
The argument of the country being found on "Christian principles" is one I'm not prepared to get into, but suffice it to say that I don't agree with that statement. I believe religious freedom was a founding principle - and that includes the freedom to be a non-believer without feeling like you're a second rate citizen. Which brings me to what bothered me most about this little "essay"... the blatant disregard for my rights as an atheist! Why the hell should I have to "go to the bathroom" because you suffer from some sort of theistic superiority complex?
I'm really tired of theists who sit there and whine about how their "rights" are being trampled just because some of us (including some theists) want to preserve what little separation of church and state this country has. I'm tired of being treated like I'm not an American because I don't believe in some father in sky.
I was born in America. I love this country, and I would hate to leave it... but I worry more and more that eventually I will have to leave or hide who I am. I worry about having to home school my children, lest they be subjected to an education system that allows for religious propaganda disguised as science. I worry that if they go to school, stand up and say, "I'm an atheist" they will be tormented, or worse, physically harmed. I love America, but if it becomes a true theocracy, I will leave.
As for my friend, I have hesitated to respond to her. I deleted the replies without comment. My husband and I are attending her daughter's first birthday party this weekend, and I really want to give her the benefit of the doubt. However, I know that I can't just let it slide all together. I could just point out that as an atheist I found that forward really offensive... but instead, I think I'll forward her the Open Letter about the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I'm not a Christian. I don't ever have to turn the other cheek, and I'm tired of doing so. I see this as a somewhat humorous way of slapping back.
Just as a side note, I've known her since we were two (and I'm closing in on 30). She's more family than friend, and that makes it a bit trickier to deal with this. If she were someone I didn't know so well, or for so long, I'd probably be a lot less... sensitive with my response to this forward. Given the circumstances, however, I'm going to tread lightly, while making my position clear. If that doesn't work, I'm prepared to rethink the whole situation. Hopefully, it won't come to that.
Addie
Addie: Congrats on the new blog. I liked your first post. Hey I guess I am your first commenter. Cool.
I have seen that letter before and found it just as offensive as you did. I am also the first one amongst my colleagues to send out the Snopes or "Break the Chain" link when I get stuff like this. The good news is that after a while I don't have to do it myself anymore. They send it out for me with notes like "I'll send this out before LBBP does". Just the threat seems to be enough to get some of them to think at least a little.
Good luck with your friend.
It's about time you started your own blog. I love how this form looks, by the way.
LBBP, thanks for my first comment! I hope that eventually people who send me forwards will actually verify the info, but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen!
Thanks, I AM. I'm hardly responsible for that, though. I just found a theme that wasn't a Blogger original and changed the header.
Great start! I used to get all kinds of e-mails like this, I would do just the same thing. Of course it didn't stop them, until I told them to shut the hell up and stop sending me those things.
Like the new blog. Please keep it up. Happy Bday to your kid! The first ones are always so much fun :)
It is tricky when friends and family want to send you religious drivel. I'd just tell her that you don't want to get any more religious emails from her, either originals or forwards, as you think they are nonsense and they can only adversely effect your friendship.
Agree to disagree.
Great blog. I found you from COG #28. Please consider registering with the Atheism Online blog directory to help others find you. http://atheismonline.com/tiki-page.php?pageName=Welcome
Re: “Email Two: Do you seriously look up validation on everything you get forwarded to you? lol”
You should reply:
“Do you seriously never look up validation on anything you forward? lol”
:-)
Nicely done. You've made yourself a tough act to follow. We the godless welcome you to our, er, um, flock. :-)
ARB
Good post.
I would agree with the author (whoever he may be) of the letter that if I was in a Muslim nation I would expect a Muslim prayer, a Buddist nation, a Buddist prayer, and a Christian nation a Christian prayer... but as too many theists have forgotten (or been deliberately mis-informed) America is not a Christian nation, unless one ascribes to the most watered down diest expression of religious faith and calls that Christianity.
Its ironic that while I dislike the interjection of Christianity into so many public aspects of American life, what I dislike about Norway is how rapidly they have watered down their own culture in order to buy into American customs, in the process abandoning customs that are derived from their own Christian heritage. Unlike the US, however, Norway is an explicitly Christian country (since King Olaf II in the 11th century) with a state sponsored religion (Lutheran). Fortunately, this is a rather benign form of Lutheranism that does not demand rabid evangelicism and which is fairly tolerant of other religions. In America, unfortunately, demands for public prayer have far more to do with enforcing religious uniformity and supressing minority beliefs than they do with expressing tradition and long held customs.
-BugHunter-
Thanks, everyone. I feel so welcome to the "flock". It's the only one I'd want to be part of these days!
BugHunter, I'm actually Luthern by baptism. However, I stopped attending a Lutheran church at a rather young age, and spent seven years immersed in a radical Presbyterian church. You are right on about Americans forgetting this isn't a Christian country - despite what they want to think. Regardless of how many Americans believe in some sort of god, we're supposed to have religious freedom here. To me, that means the freedom to be free from religion - and we shouldn't have it force fed to us at public school football games, or by our president, for that matter.
Skeptico, that would be a good reply to her comment. I'll keep it in mind should I get an opening to use it!
Vjack, I will add myself... I had been waiting for a bit, since I only had two posts. With the holiday, I haven't had time to sit and write anything new - but I have something in the works for tomorrow or Tuesday!
Franky, just to clarify - I'm still childfree (though my husband would interject that's not how I want it, haha) for now. The party in question was for my friend's daughter.
Well, Addie... I really enjoyed your post... And I tried to provide a couple of helpful links to responses to that chain letter, but your blog software appears to have prevented that. In any case... I hope that you're able to resolve the disagreement with your friend, and welcome to the blogosphere.
Oops, sorry about that. Thanks for clarifying
YEAH!!
Welcome to the blogosphere. I've been reading your comments for sometime and wishing you had a blog. Now you do. I guess wishes DO come true. Ick. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I could have said it was an answer to prayer...;-)
I used to get tons of forwarded e-mail. My continual replies with links to Snopes and About.com must have gotten me deleted from the forward list (thankfully). My mother-in-law still sends crap like this along. I simply delete it. My wife is still Chistian but she hates these types of e-mails.
Well, I've offered nothing to this discussion other than I'm glad you're here. I'm looking forward to future posts.
And good luck with your friend. Hopefully she'll be willing to take you off the foward list and respect you.
I think they should start doing "general" prayers...
To whom it may concern... (insert your deity here) :)
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Sorry for taking this offtopic, I cannot hold myself from asking, well, does your friend pray before she goes for a dump? Or she could do this while actually pooping. You know, for a safe ending. Ask her and tell us what happens :))
Then again, football is a mightly violent and I dare to say untintelligent game with orchestrated gameplay, full control of the coach and no individuality of the players, played by big guys in some really gay spandex. You'd think what in it is atracting evangelicals so much. Hmmm. Maybe all of it.
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